Some doctors say no more free lunches

November 22, 2009 6:00 am  • 

Patients visiting Creekside Family Practice in Rapid City won’t find any pens, mugs or prescription pads advertising the newest medication on the market.

They also won’t find any free drug samples, and they certainly won’t run into any pharmaceutical salespeople bearing free lunches. 

Two years ago, when Dr. Nancy Babbitt joined Dr. Craig Hansen in the practice, the two physicians decided to cut all ties with pharmaceutical sales representatives.

Hansen already had a longstanding policy of not meeting with drug-company representatives, something he began during his residency.

“I’ve been an antagonist of the drug pharmaceutical reps from the beginning,” he said.

During his residency, Hansen remembers drawing criticism from an instructor when he refused to meet and greet pharmaceutical representatives as part of his training.

 “I thought it was a conflict of interest,” he said.

He still does.

For as long as most doctors can remember, pharmaceutical and medical vendor “reps” have been a fixture in clinic and hospital environments. Drug reps visit doctors and their staff, promoting and selling their company’s medications or products.

They often bring goodies to grease the sale. 

In the early years, it wasn’t uncommon for drug reps to ply doctors with free vacations and elaborate gifts. Those practices have largely been eliminated, but less elaborate practices remain, including providing free lunches to clinics and their staffs.

The relationship between doctors and pharmaceutical companies has drawn fire from the medical industry and industry watchdogs alike in the past 10 years. 

Two huge settlements have undoubtedly played a role in that growing attention. 

In 2001, TAP Pharmaceuticals paid the government $875 million to settle claims that it paid kickbacks to doctors to promote Lupron, the company’s prostate cancer drug, and cheat Medicare by filing false claims.

In 2004, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer was fined $430 million to resolve criminal and civil charges that it paid doctors to prescribe its epilepsy drug Neurontin to patients with ailments that the drug was not federally approved to treat.

Such settlements drew attention to a system that many believed made it too easy for pharmaceutical companies to influence doctors. As a result, the government and the pharmaceutical companies themselves began to take action.

In January, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the organization that represents pharmaceutical companies, adopted an updated voluntary code regulating their relationship with health care providers. The code makes recommendations regarding gifts, medical information and the relationship between pharmaceutical representatives and doctors. It also does away with the practice of giving doctors such things as pens, cups and pads advertising a certain medication.

The current House health care reform bill addresses the issue as well, including a regulation that would require pharmaceutical companies and vendors to closely report all gifts and samples.

Several states have adopted stricter regulations to limit the contact that drug reps have with physicians. Minnesota is one of them, said Dr. Douglas Wood, a physician at Mayo Clinic in Rochester. The state passed regulations this year restricting gifts and even the amount of food a drug rep can provide to a doctor’s office, Wood said.

Mayo Clinic itself has an extensive policy requiring doctors to report any details that may prove a conflict of interest. Even a family member of a doctor who owns stock in a pharmaceutical company raises a red flag, Wood said.

“If a conflict is identified, we have to find ways to mitigate that,” he said.  

South Dakota does not have such a state law, but most clinics and physicians follow American Medical Association guidelines, according to Megan Myers of the South Dakota Medical Association. The guidelines restrict physicians to gifts that benefit the patient and are not of substantial value. “Textbooks, modest meals and other gifts are appropriate if they serve a genuine educational function. Cash payments should not be accepted. The use of drug samples for personal or family use is permissible as long as these practices do not interfere with patient access to drug samples. … Individual gifts of minimal value are permissible as long as the gifts are related to the physician’s work, (e.g, pens and notepads). …”

Regional Health allows pharmaceutical representatives and medical vendors to visit their clinics and hospitals, but it has two policies addressing the practice, said Shawn DeGroot, vice president of corporate responsibility.

DeGroot said Regional Health is scheduled in an upcoming meeting to explore that policy further. “Conflict of interest is an issue,” she said.

Dana Darger, Regional Hospital’s pharmacy director, has seen the relationship between pharmaceutical companies and clinics/hospitals change in his 30 years as a pharmacist. He remembers a time when pharmaceutical companies themselves provided speakers at medical conventions to talk about diseases and promote their medications. That practice has largely been replaced with a grant system that allows convention organizers to hire their own, hopefully unbiased, speakers.

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  1. JD Anoniem
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    JD Anoniem - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    re:Meta12:51
    So one suit against one company proves a blanket theory?
  2. metafirma
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    metafirma - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Here's a wake up call for all you deniers who are either willfully blind or naively oblivious to the reality of corrupt pharma and are soap box advocates to help perpetuate their deceit.

    To wit: November 25, 2009 from Voices of the Law web site. The Indiana Attorney General’s Office joined in a lawsuit along with 13 other states against Amgen Incorporated, alleging the pharmaceutical manufacturer illegally promoted its anemia-treatment drug Aranesp by offering physicians kickbacks and other illegal inducements to prescribe it.

    The multi-state investigation and lawsuit was initiated by a company whistleblower, a former sales and marketing professional in California, who came forward about alleged illegal marketing practices.

    A private individual filed suit in 2006 on behalf of the government to recover public funds wrongly paid due to health care fraud. The case remained under seal while the states and the federal government investigated.
  3. reallynow
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    reallynow - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    The first question I ask a physician that I have not seen before is if they see drug reps. If they don't, I don't go back. Why? I was in the industry for 10 years, and frankly was not impressed with the knowledge of some of the docs out there. The practice mentioned in this article is for profit, is there a conflict of interest there? Dr. Babbitt donated to President Obama's campaign. Is there a conflict of interest there? Large teaching institutions prefer to teach based off research that was conducted through the system they belong too. They largely do not pay attention to the other research that is conducted outside of their circle. Is there conflict of interest there? Hospitals make more money putting a stent or a pacemaker in a patient then if they counseled the patient earlier on to make healthier decisions and possibly use a medication to help with cholesterol. Conflict of interest there? Which costs more in the end to the system - a stay at the hospital for a pacemaker (which probably came due to an event that traumatized the family) and the pacemaker, or seeing a physician once or twice a year and possibly being told to take a drug. Fixing that will be true healthcare reform.
  4. wolf
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    wolf - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    How can these doctors make such a broad and biased characterizations when they have NEVER worked with any? How is that fair and objective? What if people that don't go or like to go to the Dr. because they feel all Dr's are socially retarded, spoiled, ego-maniacs only interested in big pay checks! Fair? Objective? See Reps, don't see reps, use samples don't use samples but this appeared to be more of biased Drs with a personal agenda that has nothing to do with concern for patients.
  5. metafirma
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    metafirma - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Stets - you must be either a pharma rep or have a vested interest in continuing the very poor, and certainly questionable, practice of pharma companies courting doctors and camping out in their waiting rooms. Ever noticed how many of them are hot chicks? Sex sells, and big pharma has tuned in to the fact that sex sells drugs too. As its been pointed out, drugs treat symptoms. Let's wake up here folks, pharma reps are hired to sell pharma - doctors hear only what pharma wants them to hear. I have a couple friends who are doctors and several more who are nurses, curiously, they all dispute your assertions that there are no free vacations or gifting. The free vacations are carefully offered as all expense paid trips to resorts under the guise of being 'educational conferences' or 'learning retreats' - as have been exposed in investigative news articles. My physician friends confirm same.
  6. Stets
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    Stets - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Quit demonizing the Pharma Companies! Pharma cannot give away pens, mugs, vacations, free tickets...etc. Look at what Pharma has done for improvements in quality of life, life saving drugs, comfort for patients dying of cancer, cancer research. At one time patients diagnosed with AIDS had a death sentence. Now AIDS patients can live a relativly normal life, dare say, thanks to Drug Companies. These physicians in this article choose not to see Drug reps...thats fine, but I hope they know what has changed in medicine since they last saw a rep 2 years ago.
  7. Stets
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    Stets - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Come Dr. Hanson and Dr. Babbit, lets not get carried away here. What is this the 3rd time you've had free advertising in the journal??? Getting kinda old watching you use Drug Companies as pawns to get free advertising! And to the Metafirma user, Drug Companies cannot even give away a pen....let alone a "free tickets and extravagent vacations". Are you kidding??? Drug companies use lunches to access Physicians because they are too busy to discuss products while seeing patients!! And they don't get "extravagent lunches", unless Pizza Hut and Jimmy Johns is considered extravagent. And furthermore Physicians have enough to do besides try to keep up with new and changes with existing products. I would like to see if Creekside family practice has ever enrolled their medicaid patients in any patient assistence program...oh wait...they probably don't accept medicaid patients because they DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY!!! Community Health has dispensed MILLIONS of free medicines to people that desperately need them and cannot afford them thanks to Drug Companies indigent programs. The staff at Community Health should be the ones on the front page not Dr. Hanson and Dr. Babbit!!!!
  8. HELTHNUT
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    HELTHNUT - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Isn't America great! If these two doctors believe the pharma companies are evil, they have every right not to see pharma reps. If patients were unhappy with their services they have the choice to continue their care under them or not.

    I find it interesting that these physicians prescribe to 3 major journals where they get their latest pharmaceutical information. With over 80 new medicines being approved by the FDA each year, only a fraction of them will get "reviewed" or published in these three journals.

    Having a child with a debilitating disease that has little known about it pushed us into a specialists clinic. I do not know of many specialists that could get their information from three journals and be on top of their game.

    I want my primary care doctor to be on top of their game too. My primary care doctor does all the follow up care for my son. I am hopeful my primary care doctor can see through the information like Dr. Bendt mentions in his comments. After all, are physicians suppose to be the most intelligent group in our society?
  9. devils advocate
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    devils advocate - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    hmmm...interesting thoughts on this topic here. Im kind of curious if someone can name a "life saving" drug. Certainly there are treatments, but most drugs treat symptoms and not the actual cause of the symptons...which means many prescriptions people are prescribed are to be taken for in many cases the rest of their life.

    There is nothing wrong with making money...certainly something wrong prescribing drugs to appease pharmacy reps and especially when they are not approved to treat the symptoms. But really there isnt much money to be made in curing anything, if pharmacy companies could cure with their drugs they would lose their repeat business. Treat the symptoms instead of the disease and keep people hooked.
  10. MustBeKidding
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    MustBeKidding - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    metafirm and WMDMIA: You are both missing the point, or you have never been in need of a prescription. There are plenty of diseases that have nothing to do with making haalthy choices. Where are many live-saving drugs developed? By pharmaceutical companies. Do you expect the researchers to work for free? Oh, wait. Of course you do. Nobody is supposed to make money in this country. That is what this discussion is all about, and you know it.
  11. JD Anoniem
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    JD Anoniem - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Just so long as these virtuous Doctors aren't depriving their patients of more effective treatment options simply because they don't like the "sales pitch".
  12. metafirma
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    metafirma - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    WOW! Physicians who aren't for sale... what a novel concept. Doctors who actually refuse to be bought and paid for by Big Pharma; where do we find more like them? I'm impressed!

    This nation wouldn't have many of the healthcare problems we have if ALL doctors locked their doors to pharma reps... no more free tickets, no more free extravagant vacations, no more back room back scratching deals that cost the American public BILLION$ of dollars each year in excessive prescription costs and over prescribing of "medication"... after all they are drugs. DRUGS ARE DRUGS!

    The historic PROHIBITION of DRUG ADVERTISING on TV and in magazines should go BACK IN EFFECT immediately! People self diagnosing and doctors prescribing dope that is more insidious that the affliction itself has become the American way. A doped up culture of excess and willful disregard for making healthy lifestyle choices and general wellness.

    When you consider the ramifications of the mumbled fast-talk warnings of all the "possible" and clinically proven side effects from taking the dope - no matter how casually they brush them off and spin them as 'negligible' - the fact is many if not most of them are essentially life threatening. Big Pharma is merely trying to sidestep liability for poisoning you.

    If you were growing it in your backyard and smoking it, with the laundry list of those kinds of life threatening and dangerous side effects - not the least of which is the risk of suicide, you can be absolutely certain you'd go to jail for selling it!!! So should they... and the FDA.
  13. WMDMIA
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    WMDMIA - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    To MustBeKidding, I agree with you, what good is a Democracy if we can not buy people? The more money we have the more people we can buy. That is the capitalist way of doing buisness and that is how it should be. And out of our buying people we sometimes get some good out of it, sometimes. So I say what is the problem? A little graft and fraud is good for the economy.
  14. MustBeKidding
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    MustBeKidding - November 22, 2009 6:00 am
    Interesting story. Nice to see that some doctors think they are avoiding the "conflict of interest" thing.

    But the underlying tone in a discusson of this sort is an indictment of Big Pharma as bad guys.

    As in many other huge industries, there are problems. There is fraud. There are backroom deals.

    But what industry is largely reponsible for the development of life-saving drugs? Big Pharma. How do they get the money to develop said drugs? Profits.

    But making money somehow has become a bad thing.

    Think about that the next time you wonder why there's no drug for a terrible disease that you or a loved one may contract.
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