The manager of Ted Turner’s 141,000-acre buffalo ranch in central South Dakota said he shares his boss’s worries about the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline and its potential impacts on the ranch and nation.

Turner, who periodically visits the sprawling ranch bisected by the Bad River southwest of Pierre, concluded in a CNN commentary Wednesday that the proposed pipeline should not be approved. He said the pipeline would cross the Bad River 15 miles upstream from his ranch, a worrisome reality that caused him to begin examining the project overall.

Tom LeFaive, who oversees the ranch known for its buffalo herd and diverse mix of native wildlife, said the route of the proposed crude-oil pipeline comes close enough to the ranch upstream on the Bad River to be a direct worry.

“It comes within a few miles, where it crosses the Bad River and heads south to Murdo,” LeFaive said. “The Bad River runs through the middle of our property. I think everybody would be concerned about any type of oil line or anything that could have a detrimental effect.”

But LeFaive said his concerns about the pipeline go beyond the boundaries of the ranch and the possibility of local oil spills. Important questions also need to be answered about the benefits of the pipeline to South Dakota and the United States versus the project’s potential harm, he said.

“There can be lots of benefits to jobs, and that type of thing,” LeFaive said. “But what is the real purpose? Is it to benefit the United States or is it to get the fuel to the coast so it can go overseas?”

In his CNN commentary, Turner raised those and other questions about the pipeline before concluding that it should not be approved. He said the nation should be promoting cleaner, renewable energy sources rather than a polluting form of energy that is damaging to the environment to extract and difficult to transport.

“He has his concerns,” LeFaive said of Turner’s commentary. “Many people have concerns about this. I just want people to know the truth, so they can decide based on the facts.”

LeFaive said if the pipeline were approved, there should be a guarantee that a certain percentage of the Canadian crude oil transported in the pipeline be used in the United States.

“If it’s going to cross the United States you would think somebody could put in the contracts that a certain percentage of the oil should go to the United States,” he said. “You’ve got to look at the benefits and what the adverse effects would be.”

Contact Kevin Woster at 394-8413 or kevin.woster@rapidcityjournal.com

(29) comments

Buldog
Buldog

[quote]papajuliet said: "nwsdcitizen: Thanks for that well-reasoned opinion. Just imagine for a moment that the independent studies (the one's not sponsored by the petroleum industry) are right. What if there really aren't very many jobs generated by this potential boondoggle? What if there were to be a major spill that contaminates OUR groundwater? I can understand someone being in favor of this pipeline if they have actually weighed the pros and cons, the risks and the benefits. But to be rabidly in favor of the pipeline just because someone that you seem to despise is against this pipeline is a tad silly. Maybe if you could evaluate the facts independent of your obvious political bias, you might find yourself in agreement with Mr. Turner. Maybe the risks really do outweigh the benefits. I find myself reminded more and more often of a quote from Mr. Stephan Colbert: "It's well known that facts have a liberal bias."I suggest that you seek out the truth about this pipeline. Factor in the fact that NONE of the oil that will traverse South Dakota will be consumed in the US. Do some research about the safety record of TransCanada. Maybe after you learn something about this project on your own, your opinion may be more alligned with that villainous liberal."[/quote]

Great comment, also I really like your avatar, it speaks volumes!

Factsonly

Our government is doing its absolute best to interfere with free enterprise in America and it’s always easy to blame it on flawed science that gets everyone excited and focused on the wrong issues. We have plenty of oil in the US, and we should crack the Earth open and pump it out and refine it. Build a few refineries in the Dakotas and put men and women to work. Dig in a pipeline, and secure jobs for thousands. In fact – stipulate that if suppliers want to move oil across our great nation (in pipes and trucks), then we have the right to tap in and buy some of this oil (as it is surely cheaper than the stuff coming from the Middle East). The environmental hype must stop now, and we need to find elected officials that will stop listening to these rich extremists who lobby and use their wealth to buy opinions. We have natural resources, plenty of them, and we should start using them. We have all the resources we need right here in North America! Let’s stop buying resources abroad! Let the oil flow!

nwsdcitizen

Papajuliet,

Contrary to your "unbiased" opinion. I have read many articles on the pipeline project and I have yet to read one including the Cornell findings that have shown me why I should be totaly against it like you seem to be. I will even agree that much of what TransCanda says is slanted in their favor just like what many of the opponents say is slanted in their favor; like the fact "none" of the fuel/gas will be available to the U.S. market. You have no way to substansiate that claim. However, it sure makes your case sound good. Your side also constantly brings up the possiblity of oil spills and how the enviornment will be irreparabley damaged yet you disregard the fact there are millions of miles of pipelines running beneath our ground now and miraculously we still have drinkable water and safe food.

I also stand by my first post when it comes to people like Ted Turner. He brings nothing to this state we need. That opinion has nothing to do with his political views, instead it has to do with people like him who come to rural states like ours and MT, WY etc and start buying up land but don't live here, yet want to dictate how we run our state.

papajuliet
papajuliet

nwsdcitizen: Thanks for that well-reasoned opinion. Just imagine for a moment that the independent studies (the one's not sponsored by the petroleum industry) are right. What if there really aren't very many jobs generated by this potential boondoggle? What if there were to be a major spill that contaminates OUR groundwater?

I can understand someone being in favor of this pipeline if they have actually weighed the pros and cons, the risks and the benefits. But to be rabidly in favor of the pipeline just because someone that you seem to despise is against this pipeline is a tad silly. Maybe if you could evaluate the facts independent of your obvious political bias, you might find yourself in agreement with Mr. Turner. Maybe the risks really do outweigh the benefits.

I find myself reminded more and more often of a quote from Mr. Stephan Colbert: "It's well known that facts have a liberal bias."

I suggest that you seek out the truth about this pipeline. Factor in the fact that NONE of the oil that will traverse South Dakota will be consumed in the US. Do some research about the safety record of TransCanada. Maybe after you learn something about this project on your own, your opinion may be more alligned with that villainous liberal.

nwsdcitizen

The only think I will say about this is, if Ted Turner is against it then I'm for it. If it helps to get him and people like him out of our state then all the better.

Buldog
Buldog

[quote]10th generation patriot said: "Current value of Brent is $125.47 per barrel, current price of Williston Basin Sweet is $91.50. A discount of $33.97 per barrel due to lack of pipeline capacity in this country to get the raw material to the proper market.The rich Ted Turner is more concerned about the theory that some day he may have an oil stain on his ranch than he is about the millions of Americans struggling to get by that are forced to pay inflated prices for gasoline due to an antiquated domestic pipeline system."[/quote]

All the pipeline would do is make the price of williston crude go to $125+ so then you could really say good bye to cheaper gas here in the midwest.

Buldog
Buldog

[quote]Progstopper said: "Sure old Teddy and Jane "NVA" Fonda can afford $10 gas for their Hummers. But we can't. "[/quote]

Well there progress stopper, if you can't afford the gas you should not own a hummer.

753

Kumbaya

whiteriver: the only "residents" here when Custer came through were the native Americans......oh, I see your point.

Progstopper

Sure old Teddy and Jane "NVA" Fonda can afford $10 gas for their Hummers. But we can't.

Think it through

To tipimkr: ya I have seen Pine ridge and all of the beauty that abounds there.

morningstar

It is obvious that folks everywhere are starting to look at the facts of the Keystone and make up their own minds instead of being told what to think by a Canadian corporation. Keystone I overstated SD county revenues by 310%; the Cornell study reveals jobs overestimated by at least that amount. If this pipeline is such a great thing why must they exaggerate the benefits so much? Threats that TC will take an alternate route west through Canada are a laugh. Why didn't they plan it that way in the first place? Fisheries and First American interests don't want it. One big political driver seems to be that many US Congressionals have received donations from 42 companies, and Speaker Boehner at the top of the list.It is also a great excuse to be Ant-Obama but that doesn't make the proposal any better.

chasesgram

I didn't even know we had that nut as a land holder in South Dakota. I thought Montana was stuck with him. Did he buy the Houk ranch? Anyway - the pipeline was probably halted by him with a phone call to BHO. But the pipeline is not dnagerous like some folks want you to believe. And like a prvious comment - there is already a pipeline that runs on the western edge of the state all the way to Newcastle. So what is the big deal? A way for regular Americans to be able to live without paying $60 to fill their gas tank and another $100 to buy three bags of groceries? Ted Turner doesn't have to worry about this at all - nor does BHO and all his elite cronies. These folks don't give a whit about America or the people that make it great. It makes me sick to think that Ted Turner has his claws in any part of South Dakota.

Ringneck

The problem with most of the people that don't have a job in SD is they don't want to WORK! The SD DOL has hundreds of WORK openings in SD. If you have the desire, you can find WORK! As stated earlier, the work provided by this project is very temporary, at best. Not worth the risk to our environment in SD!

ivy

[quote]Magaska said: "I shake my head at you Mr "I don't have a real name" you people need to do your research: first off it don't take a labor force to lay down a pipe line..its all done by machine with little or no Laborer's...machine operator's will be hired from a contractor as well as the Certified welders (who already have jobs)...the will only be in S.D. for only a couple months "at Best" once the line leaves S.D. its all over with...only thing we get is the damage to our environment and aquifers if there is a spill...do your research ..tar sands oil is the worst of the worst..if it spills there is no clean-up...its remove and replace only...There will be almost zero benefit to S.D....this oil will be shipped over seas....again we will not see any benefit...the only ones that will make the money are the big oil people and they don't care about you or us....its all greed....James :Magaska" Swan "United Urban Warrior Society" "[/quote]
Magaska im going with you havent done any reserch pipelines take a huge labor force from the people that feed the workers to the people that do there paper work on the new equipment they bought to do there job and the oil is also the ND and MT oil shipped to a refinery far from the ocean they don't ship refined fuels that I know of to china GET some knowledge befor you speak look up pipeline101

WhiteRiver

Now you say it doesn't cross the our country. It seems strange that the people of Kansas are upset because the State of Kansas has forgiven its tax on the pipeline for 10 years.
"If SD doesn't grab the opportunity....someone else will" Dummy up. No one else to the east or west of us want this pipeline mess. Go ask Minnesota or Wyoming.
George Armstrong Custer came through South Dakota and in the Black Hills he called all the residents together. He told them he was on a secret mission to the Little Big Horns and to act dumb until he got back. So far so good.

tipimakr

Give it back to us Indians...we know how to take care of the land the air and the water.

Magaska
Magaska

Cornell GLI Study Finds Keystone XL Pipeline Will Create Few Jobs


Previous Studies Are Misleading; Project May Kill More Jobs Than It Creates.

Cornell GLI’s new report, Pipe Dreams? Jobs Gained, Jobs Lost by the Construction of Keystone XL (pdf) examines the job impacts of TransCanada Corportation's Keystone XL Pipeline, the proposed pipeline that would transport tar sands oil almost 2,000 miles from Alberta, Canada to the Gulf of Mexico in Texas. The report reviews claims made by TransCanada and the American Petroleum Institute that the project will create 20,000 construction and manufacturing and 119,000 (direct, indirect and induced) jobs.

The report concludes that the job estimates put forward by TransCanada are unsubstantiated and the project will not only create fewer jobs than industry states, but that the project could actually kill more jobs than it creates. Main findings include:
The project budget that has a direct impact on U.S. employment is between $3 and $4 billion or about half of what industry claims.
50% or more of the steel pipe, the main material input used for Keystone XL, will be manufactured outside of the U.S.
Jobs will be temporary and between 85-90% of the people hired to do the work will be non-local or from out of state.
The Perryman study, which estimates around 119,000 (direct, indirect and induced) jobs is a poorly documented study commissioned by TransCanada.
Job losses would be caused by additional fuel costs in the Midwest, pipeline spills, pollution and the rising costs of climate change. Even one year of fuel price increases as a result of Keystone XL could cancel out some or all of the jobs created by the project.
.....Plus about 130-Miles of it throught Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe Reservation land.. We do not want it on our land ..-James "Magaska" Swan "United Urban Warrior Society"

Bull
Bull

Our most valuable resource is clean water, not oil. Without clean water you have nothing.

Myname

Just for your information...Keystone already has a oil pipeline through SD...this one would join up w/the current pipeline. If you check their map, they have oil & natural gas pipelines already in the US. This pipeline would also provide some jobs...and....even if they bring in some contractors...won't they be spending some of that money in South Dakota. We need to look ahead. If SD doesn't grab the opportunity....someone else will.

10th generation patriot

Current value of Brent is $125.47 per barrel, current price of Williston Basin Sweet is $91.50. A discount of $33.97 per barrel due to lack of pipeline capacity in this country to get the raw material to the proper market.
The rich Ted Turner is more concerned about the theory that some day he may have an oil stain on his ranch than he is about the millions of Americans struggling to get by that are forced to pay inflated prices for gasoline due to an antiquated domestic pipeline system.

eifeldude

This is the XL pipeline in a nutshell. It is a Canadian Pipeline who's sole purpose is to get oil to foreign market, most likely the Chinese. We shoulder all the risks, impact to environmental and receive nothing in return.
Please tell me how this is good for South Dakota or any other state????

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

“There can be lots of benefits to jobs, and that type of thing,” LeFaive said.

Said the man who has a job.

Magaska
Magaska

[quote]tck said: "I bet Mr Turner does not burn a ounce of fuel on his property either. I would bet that he is totally running everything(household included) on alternative fuels! There are pipelines underground in many places and from what I have seen of them they are well monitered with very few problems. But, like anything there will always be a mishap that will have to be delt with. What is is with the weathly and the people that are at the top to keep the common person from working? JOBS JOBS JOBS is what I hear all the time and wow lets just take away jobs from so many people that in the time we need them! I just shake my head at some of these people."[/quote]

I shake my head at you Mr "I don't have a real name" you people need to do your research: first off it don't take a labor force to lay down a pipe line..its all done by machine with little or no Laborer's...machine operator's will be hired from a contractor as well as the Certified welders (who already have jobs)...the will only be in S.D. for only a couple months "at Best" once the line leaves S.D. its all over with...only thing we get is the damage to our environment and aquifers if there is a spill...do your research ..tar sands oil is the worst of the worst..if it spills there is no clean-up...its remove and replace only...There will be almost zero benefit to S.D....this oil will be shipped over seas....again we will not see any benefit...the only ones that will make the money are the big oil people and they don't care about you or us....its all greed....James :Magaska" Swan "United Urban Warrior Society"

Adam

They have every right to worry, we all should be worried. So many people only focus on making a quick dollar that they forget how they might be impacting our future. The environment has been neglected the last 75 years, and the younger generations are not going to accept the petty excuses anymore. Clean water, alternative energy, improved education, and sustainable farming are just a few of our future priorities. None of it has to do with politics, its all has to do with what is best for humanity.

Melynda

I think if you are worried about jobs over environment, then it's like being worried about your kids teacher being nice to your kid instead of actually teaching them. It might help your kid (the people of south dakota) get through the rough semester, but when he has to go into the real world after schools out (the job is gone), there won't be the education (environment) there to help him survive.

breeze6839

Obviously like most Republicans you opened your mouth before you read the whole article. He said that if it does cross the entire US then it should be ALL used here, not sold overseas. And I totally agree with that! Plus, we need to continue researching alternate sources of energy AND conservation!

Rush Mountmore
Rush Mountmore

Turner dumped Jane Fonda, but he kept her politics.

tck

I bet Mr Turner does not burn a ounce of fuel on his property either. I would bet that he is totally running everything(household included) on alternative fuels! There are pipelines underground in many places and from what I have seen of them they are well monitered with very few problems. But, like anything there will always be a mishap that will have to be delt with. What is is with the weathly and the people that are at the top to keep the common person from working? JOBS JOBS JOBS is what I hear all the time and wow lets just take away jobs from so many people that in the time we need them! I just shake my head at some of these people.

badhand

If it is going to cross this nation then every gallon of it should go to this nation. It makes no sense to permanently scar this nation and risk destroying our aquifers for a few thousand temporary jobs unless all this oil goes into American cars and trucks.

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