Mount Rushmore will close, certain food assistance programs will stop operating, and 800,000 federal employees across the nation will be furloughed today, after the Republican-controlled House forced the first partial government shutdown in 17 years.

The shutdown came after House Republicans demanded that the Senate, controlled by Democrats, defund or delay parts of President Obama's 2010 health care overhaul in exchange for passage of a bill that would continue government spending. Obama and congressional Democrats have remained steadfast in their refusal to give in to Republican demands.

"One faction of one party in one house of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election," Obama said Monday in the White House briefing room.

In the hours leading up to the shutdown, South Dakota's congressional Republicans remained defiant, arguing that Democrats were the root of the shutdown because they refused to negotiate.

"House Republicans will continue to do what the American people elected us to do – keep the government open and get rid of Obamacare," U.S. Rep Kristi Noem wrote in a statement, shortly before voting for another bill that would delay aspects of Obama's health care overhaul in exchange for preventing a shutdown.

In a conference call with reporters, U.S. Sen John Thune also accused Obama of failing to "compromise."

"When you have got a divided government, you have got to have a little give and take," he said.

But it's unclear whether Americans will accept that version of events. A pair of polls released on Monday showed that more Americans would blame Republicans if the government shut down.

63 percent of Americans disapproved of the way Republicans were handling the budget impasse, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll. In a similar vein, 69 percent of Americans say Republicans are acting like "spoiled children" according to a CNN/ORC International poll.

Today's shutdown will be felt unevenly across government. Some critical services such as patrolling the borders and inspecting meat would continue. Social Security benefits would be sent, and the Medicare and Medicaid health care programs for the elderly and poor would continue to pay doctors and hospitals.

But the shutdown will still have immediate impacts to South Dakota and the rest of the nation.

Maureen McGee-Ballinger, a spokeswoman for the Mount Rushmore National Memorial, said that 36 of its 60 employees would be furloughed, forcing it to close until the crisis is resolved.

That means the park will be forced to turn away 5,000 to 7,000 people that would normally visit Mount Rushmore on a fall day.

And while military personnel have been spared from furloughs, the shutdown could impact Ellsworth Air Force Base's 600-odd civilian employees.

"We just don't have the answer right now," said Sgt. John Barton, a spokesman, who added that he couldn't say one way or the other whether there would be furloughs.

Evert Van der Sluis, an economics professor at South Dakota State University, said that however government cuts are implemented, they're bad news for the state economy.

If the shutdown continues through to the end of the year, Van der Sluis said, it is projected to reduce national GDP growth from 1.4 percent to 0.2 percent in the final three months of the year.

"This is going to effect all of us," he said. "There's no doubt about it."

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The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Canada Bound

Noem is a NO SHOW JOKE! Thune needs to get his head out of his deriere.and retake his goverment classes.

Bull
Bull

It is all quite simple really. All one needs to do is look at the votes of Nome and Thune and you will see they only care about protecting the rich and the corporations. They do not care about the poor, the children or those on Social Security. They also don't want the people to have affordable healthcare. They already have theirs.

Cruiser

A total of 18 Republicans have "jumped ship" and are willing to pass a clean CR, ending the impasse . . . but Boehner refuses to bring a clean CR up for a vote.

ALM4747

I would love to read that report. I am on the GAO website. Could you tell me which one you are referring to?

Deklan
Deklan

I have the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: Effect on Long Term Federal Budget Outlook Largely Depends on Whether Cost Containment Sustained" downloaded to my computer.

I checked the GAO website and it's on there.

Deklan
Deklan

ALM4747

Since you were interested in the GAO report, you may find the 09/17/13 'Long-Term Budget Outlook report interesting.

In part, the report noted, budget deficits would gradually rise again under current law, CBO projects, mainly because of increasing interest costs and growing spending for Social Security and the government’s major health care programs (Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and subsidies to be provided through health insurance exchanges).

The pressures of an aging population, rising health care costs, and an expansion of federal subsidies for health insurance would cause spending for some of the largest federal programs to increase relative to GDP. By 2023, CBO projects, the budget deficit would grow to almost 3½ percent of GDP under current law, and federal debt held by the public would equal 71 percent of GDP and would be on an upward trajectory.

By 2038, the deficit would be 6½ percent of GDP, larger than in any year between 1947 and 2008, and federal debt held by the public would reach 100 percent of GDP, more than in any year except 1945 and 1946. With such large deficits, federal debt would be growing faster than GDP, a path that would ultimately be unsustainable.

There are people who can only see today with the continuation of deficit spending with 0'Care adding to the deficit and debt as they overlook the future of their children and grandchildren.

morningstar

It seems as though all the web sites are busy with folks interested in ObamaCare.This wouldn't be the first time there was a malfunction when there is a computer overload.

It also seems the US House is getting close to having a simple majority go for a "clean" budget bill.That's of course if Speaker Boehner would allow a vote.

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

StopProgStop "The site is busy...."

Yup, the site it busy and you are offering the first of many excuses that will be needed as the feds take over health care and make a mess of it.

ALM4747

So you work in the healthcare field, work 80 hours a week, from home.....medical transcription perhaps? I just want the facts you keep posting DMPT10. If my premiums doubled I would name the insurance company. And what plan did you check into on healthcare.gov? bronze,silver,gold, or platinum? Who was the carrier? And if you work 80 hours a week and still qualify for subsidy, I would think again on your job choice.

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

"what plans are you looking at on healthcare.gov?"

None. When I try to look I see:

We have a lot of visitors on the site right now.
Please stay on this page.

We're working to make the experience better, and we don’t want you to lose your place in line. We’ll send you to the login page as soon as we can. Thanks for your patience!

StopProgStop

Yes Jim. That means the site is busy. That mean more people are interested in the program.

ALM4747

dpmt10,
I ask again, specifically, what plans are you looking at on healthcare.gov? Last year my primary insurance rate gave my employer a refund from premiums,and this year our premiums were lower than last year. So you can't blame ACA for your premiums going up, otherwise you would have to give them credit for ours going down.

who who who

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!




morningstar

The Tea Party folks in the US House of Representatives have missed all the basics of American Civics:

1) There are 3 branches of US government-Executive, Judicial and Legislative.All have acted in favor of the Affordable Care Act.
2) We are a government of laws rather than men.

The Tea Partiers in the US House are one part of the Legislative Branch and the Tea Party faction is only one of 3 factions in the US House.

Yet they act as if the world owes them all their views; sort of like the Benjamin Spock era.

Kristi, did you raise your kids like that? If so you're headed for more trouble.

Roger Cornelius

Either way you shake it, a CNN/RNC poll shows that the U.S. Congress has a 10% approval rating or a 90% disapproval rating while the President's approval is at about 53%%.

The fact of the matter is, Obamacare was passed by the House of Representatives, the Senate and signed into law by the President. It was challenged in U.S. Supreme Court and some provisions of Obamacare were struck down and other parts upheld. Remember, conservative Supreme Court Justice John Roberts agreed with most provisions of Obamacare. It is the LAW, what is so hard to comprehend?

With all the lies and misinformation out there, I doubt that there are actually very few that have looked at how ACA affects them.

In our recent history, this is the 5th time our government has been shutdown since 1977. Three times under President Carter, the 1995 shutdown and now. All three of these Democratic Presidents had a Republican Congress, throwing fits and defying the law because they didn't get their way.

The question that needs to be asked and answered is, what is the real reason Republicans don't want 80% of American to be healthy.? The answer is not about money or costs.

dpmt10

ACA is NOT about health care. It's about control.

Many of us have already experienced how ACA affects us - my premiums for my health insurance have risen since this horrible law has been signed by slightly over 100%. If you recall, this act was supposed to LOWER the costs of our premiums and make health care more affordable. In reality, it not only has drastically increased the cost of premiums, but also increased the cost of health care. For medical facilities to meet all of the new gov't regulations for implementation, they have had to spend HUGE sums of money and have had to hire more people just to meet all of the paperwork regulations. Those costs have had to be passed on to patients. Unfortunately, reimbursements from Medicare, Medicaid, and insurance have dropped, so medical facilities are struggling to keep up with actual costs. The only solution for many of them is to stop seeing Medicaid and Medicare patients, which is the lowest reimbursement of all. Unfortunately, once Obamacare is in full swing, insurance reimbursements will be close to Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements, and many facilities will not be able to keep open. I think you will soon be seeing some clinics opening up that will see patients on a cash-only basis. No Medicare or Medicaid or insurance - strictly cash. I personally know here in Rapid City some providers who are contemplating doing just that, and it is happening all over the country already. For people who have insurance, and especially medicare or medicaid, they will be finding it much tougher to find health care. THAT is the reality of what ACA is doing to health care. Just so you know, I AM in the health care field. I know quite well of what I speak.

Mark1950

Why could your premium go up? Probably because you had a bad policy. It didn't cover what it does now. No limits on coverage. No preexisting conditions. When the deny coverage you have NO policy. Did you notice the tax credit? It will effectively bring down your premium. I check my prices. Down 50% from 4 years ago. Fantastic! Because of blockage from red state governors, many prices from those states will be higher.

Deklan
Deklan

There are individuals and families that don't need the same coverage as other individuals and families. It doesn't mean anyone had a bad policy.

Individuals and families have received notices from their insurers noting the increase in their premiums.

Your premiums may have gone down, but there are others in the country and in the state whose premiums have gone up.

Earlier this year, a GAO report highlighted 0'care will add to the yearly deficit and to the debt due to changes in the mandate.

The tax credit you mentioned - other Americans will have to cover it for you...

Black Hawk
Black Hawk

After reading your comments, I would think that you would support ACA. You said that you have health issues which make you unable to work outside the house. I'm happy that you can take care of yourself but what happens if/when the time comes when you can't? America is one of the only developed nations where a medical emergency can bankrupt an individual/family. It's fine to say that everyone is on their own, until it's your turn. You suggest that everyone can go to the ER and get free treatment, but that costs you. As someone in the health care field this should be obvious.

Deklan
Deklan

According to the CRS, there has been 17 shutdowns since '77. There were 6 partial shutdowns during the Ford and Carter years. During the Reagan years there were 8 full shutdowns. The first Bush had 1 shutdown, and Clinton had 2 full shutdowns.

ALM4747

dpmt10: not asking about your income, but if you already have coverage, why would the ACA, have anything to do with raising your premiums? What plans are you considering from on healthcare.gov?

dpmt10

Because my income IS quite low, and my insurance company has just raised the premium of my insurance again for the second time this year to the point that I have to make a choice whether to pay it or buy groceries. I should mention, too, that the plan my insurance company just changed it to with this lovely premium increase covers just about nothing - only 25% of inpatient hospital care - and there is a high deductible. It isn't worth it to have it. When I checked the site, the cheapest plan premium was higher than what i already pay - and that is with the subsidy. I can't afford it. I will be one of those people come the end of the year when the newest premium increase starts who will have no choice but to drop my insurance and pay the tax..err..penalty for not having insurance. I can't afford to pay for it any longer. It's that or I don't eat. That's not a choice.

Obtuseangler

Thune disappointed me when he voted for cloture, but we could do much worse than having him as one of our senators. Noem's heart is in the right place. Reading the comments by upset liberals indicates they are doing the right thing. The fact that so many people are upset by this so-called shutdown indicates to me that many need to better understand what this law will mean for the country and for them as individuals. We cannot afford this, individually or as a nation. Also, we do not need the federal government involving itself in the most intimate aspects of our lives. Lastly, this partisan divide is deepened each day by a vitriolic and childish president. He is reaping what he has sown. Scream loudly, statists, because your screams are music to my ears.

Deklan
Deklan

The requirements of 0'Care has requirements of mandatory coverages which cause premiums to rise.

the unGangsta

Today is a good day here in South Dakota. The sun is out, has not fallen, and neither has the sky fallen. Perhaps better still, our Congress has taken a positive, albeit limited first step towards government reform. Today we find that select elements of our federal government are alleged to be shut down. Closed. Incapable of further damage. But this is only a tiny yet necessary first good step.


Our Congressional representation on behalf of all South Dakotans, by a super majority (2 out of 3), have succeeded in imposing this good first step towards reclamation of these once great United States. A United States that was indeed brought to its highest pinnacle by our Greatest Generation. However, many of our members of the Greatest Generation have now all gone before us.


Now is the prime opportunity for the super majority of our South Dakota Congressional trio to team up with their like members in the US House and expand upon their present interests, passions, dreams, and desires. The time is now clearly upon us all for the Congress to close the Article I Branch completely, to close the Article II Branch completely, to close the Article III Branch completely. I would respectfully suggest that there are several governors’ who intelligence would guide them to activate sufficient National Guard members necessary to secure the prior national strategic arms depots, especially our Weapons of Mass Destruction.


Allow “We The People of these United States” to determine what form of national government or governments We The People will create to govern We The People. We The People of course being the human form of being, rather than the destructive recognition of paper people (the corporation). The ones who are indeed too Important to Fail are indeed We The People and not them the CEO, the CFO, the corporate dynasties.


Our super majority has initiated this possibility. Our two Republicans knew of this or should have known of this. One more simple step remains. Close down the Three Branches completely. Locally, We The People have the skill, the wit, and the determination to correct our defective federal leadership, to learn from their recent and past mistakes, and to Form a More Perfect Union or Unions.

dpmt10

Amen!

dpmt10

With all the talk of a government shutdown, it's important to remember that much of the government will technically remain open.

The following is a list of government services that will continue, rain or shine ... or shutdown:

-- While roughly half of the Defense Department's civilian employees will be furloughed, the 1.4 million active-duty military personnel stay on duty. And under a last-minute bill, they should keep getting paychecks on time. Most Homeland Security agents and border officers, as well as other law enforcement agents and officers, keep working.

-- Social Security checks will continue to go out. Medicare benefits will keep coming.

-- The Postal Services will keep delivering mail.

-- Though the Board of Veterans Appeals will stop issuing rulings, in turn delaying some decisions about disability claims, most Department of Veterans Affairs services will continue. The department's health programs get their money a year in advance, so veterans can still see their doctor, get prescriptions filled and visit fully operational VA hospitals and outpatient clinics.

-- Meat inspections by the Agriculture Department will continue.

-- Air traffic controllers will remain on the job. Railroad and pipeline safety inspectors will also remain at work.

-- As previously reported, the National Security Agency -- as part of the nation's national security infrastructure -- will continue to operate.

-- Except for some potential glitches, passport and visas will be handled as usual, both at home and abroad.

Pat Parent

This is a sad day for democracy. Members of Congress should NOT receive a dime of pay (or any benefits) until they grow up and do their jobs. Rep. Noem and Sen. Thune will not get my vote in the coming elections. Further, not a single incumbent should be re-elected to Congress, regardless of their party affiliation. Let's vote in people who are reasonable, know how to compromise and genuinely want to work for the citizens of this country.

dpmt10

Not really, since WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY. We are a constitutional republic. BIG difference.

ALM4747

I need to correct part of my previous statement. My family is not exempt, but already have two healthcare coverages.

ALM4747

Snowflake: exactly who is exempt from ACA? I know that my family is because of our two coverages we have. Please fill us in with the facts.

snowflake

Nothing got done the two years the Democrats held the White House, the Senate and the House...and now they want to blame the Republicans for their lack of cooperation.

dpmt10

right on

snowflake

How dare you say that Thune and Noem are defiant! I heard Obama say, "I will not negotiate." That is what I call defiant.

matyowambo

Negotiate on what? Obamacare has already been voted on, signed into law, and the supreme court has deemed it to be constitutional. That is quite literally "by the book" in terms of how laws are passed in this country.

West River
West River

That is a pretty uninformed statement. We are talking about paying the bills for things already passed into law. Should the Democrats also include their list of things they either want or wish repealed and refuse to pay the bills?

There is a time coming up where both sides can set down and put their wish list on the table. But now is the time to pay the bills already incurred.

West River
West River

Easy to resolve.
Put the Senate bill before the entire House of Representative and let them vote it up or down.

Problem is the Republicans in the House want to hold the government hostage to defeat Obama Care.

Senate Democrats might as well put forward their wish list of eliminating Republican things they don't like and demand that those things be eliminated or not funded.

Agree 100%.

Spoiled prats. Absolutely appalling behavior. This sets very dangerous precedents.

dpmt10

so your solution is to let them continue to raise the debt ceiling and let China own more of us? That's a great solution there, buddy.

ALM4747

The mentioned" poll" was in Forbes publication, conducted by: Morning Consult:

Deklan
Deklan

The poll was by “The Morning Consult” which serves industry executives, government officials, and policy advisers.

The breakdown of who were surveyed included less Republicans @ 519, Democrats @ 836, and 620 Indies.

One breakdown showed:

ACA will make things better - 677

ACA will have no effect – 504

ACA will make things worst - 795

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

Adam - "The ACA is a good law, ... Thune and Noem don't like it is because its goal is to ensure all Americans have equal access to quality healthcare."

so why do the unions want exemptions from it?

Adam

The fact is they do not get to be exempt, period. Nothing to debate here.

Land Owner

As I reflect to election time and the speeches, THINK of todays problem and the words of two who represent SD Kristi,House Republicans will continue to do what the American people elected us to do – keep the government open and get rid of Obamacare,"REALLY was this even part of and it was SD who voted you in and most of SD regardless of race depend on the government to subsidize their families.In a conference call with reporters, U.S. Sen John Thune also accused Obama of failing to "compromise."
"When you have got a divided government, you have got to have a little give and take," he said
What have you given is it ok because you and your circle have your own healthcare programs. By the way who pays for your healthcare? As you vote and make these decisions remember you represent SD and we have many who depend on this health care program. Life is important and many will suffer because you forgot who you represent not all of America but first SD.

Adam

Thune and Noem only care about their wealthy friends that are filling their pockets, they would rather help corporate farms, and big oil. The Affordable Care Act (ACA) or what some want to call ObamaCare are the same thing, so don't let propaganda confuse you. The ACA is a good law, and the only reason Thune and Noem don't like it is because its goal is to ensure all Americans have equal access to quality healthcare.

dpmt10

If it is such a good law, why are so many people getting exemptions from it, like your president and his union buddies? Why is it that over 70% people in a Gallup poll (a liberal polling company, who tends to slant things to the left), strongly dislike Obamacare and would like to have it repealed? It's a BAD plan, and it will do NOTHING to increase access to healthcare; on the contrary, it will decrease access, drastically raise costs (as we are already seeing), and less people will have affordable coverage. That is all happening RIGHT NOW, and this hasn't even been fully implemented yet. Doctors are quitting the field or changing to cash-only practices because they see the writing on the wall that reimbursements will be so much less that they will not be able to afford to keep their doors open, plus they have so much regulation and paperwork they have to fill out that it is costing them more than it is worth.

abcoperry

I wish the Repulicans (for whcih I have always been but maybe no more) would suck it up and understand they don't have the votes to repeal Obabma care. They should stop holding the government hostage for their political agenda. If they want to defund Obama Care they should fund the governement then introduce a seperate bill that addresses thier concerns with Obanma Care. If they have the votes they will scucceed, if not, oh well, no matter what any of us think about it, thats how our government works, it's the law of the land, suck it up and move on already!

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

To all the Demsheep who think Obama-Care is wonderful; How come the Democrats voted to exempt themselves and their staff from the law?

Cruiser

wherever did you get this little tidbit? Nothing shows this to be a fact. Check again.

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

Wall St Journal - check it yourself.

Cruiser

Sad, You seem to be the only poster who needs to resort to name-calling. It is a reflection on you and not the people you are trying to label.

Adam

100% FALSE, they are not exempt.

West River
West River

This Republican stupidity was all about rehashing Obama Care and little to do about cutting spending. The Democrats could have demanded enactment of a number of things if the Republicans think its time to demand repeal of things they don't like.

There is a time to pay the bills for what you have already bought.

There is a time to set down and make a budget that cuts your spending to balance revenue. Oh, I'm sure that Obama Care will again be on the table. But so will a bunch of farm and corporate welfare (subsidies) that Thune & Noem are all for not cutting..

ALM4747

I have searched the internet for the Gallup poll stating 70% disapprove of Obamacare. Also, why should the President negotiate with home grown political terrorists. The government shutdown should come with a forfeit of all politicians pay. I for one believe, that any caring parent, Christian, or politician, should want to take care of all the people, not just some. I would never have said to one of my non conformist children, no health insurance for you.

Google the following:

"gallup poll obamacare". See the results. The latest one was titled as follows:

New Poll: Only One-Third Of Americans Support Repealing, Defunding Or Delaying Obamacare

That's what shows up.

dpmt10

Alm, since when it is it the government's responsibility to take care of the people? The federal gov't, according to the constitution, is ONLY to provide for defense, create money, and regulate INTERSTATE commerce between states, NOT for anything else. WE are responsible to take care of ourselves. What do you think people did before there was welfare? People worked 2-3 jobs, churches helped out, and families and neighbors took care of those who COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. If you are able bodied, you take care of YOURSELF. I have some health issues that keep me from working outside the home, but I still work - i work 80+ hours a week, in fact, and I take care of myself. I struggle financially, but I do it myself and don't depend on anybody else to do it for me. It's my responsibility to take care of myself, not yours or the gov'ts or anybody else. Same with the rest of us.

Hooiser

Thune and Noem are Tea Party sheep. Please remember that during the next election.

dpmt10

LOL neither are tea party people and refuse to be involved with the tea party. Get your facts straight!

Adam

Funny, maybe you should look up their contributions, they are both in the back pockets of the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers are the ones that have dropped millions if not billions into elections over the past 2 decades. They hide behind many deceiving organization names, and funnel money to all tea party and tea party leaning republicans. Some contributions can be tracked, and others are hidden thanks to Citizens United. If you don't know what Citizens United is, it give corporations or groups unlimited contribution power, or the ability to try to buy elections.

Cinder

There is no doubt this is a sad day for America. It clearly shines a light on how totally dysfunctional our Government has become. We have a Congress that has forgotten what governance and statesmanship is about and they have become mouthpieces for their political party instead of the people they serve. We have a President who thinks the Government is the answer to all of people's problems and has clearly forgotten that he was not elected King. He doesn't work with Congress to make laws or improve laws; he simply passes Executive Orders to get his way. If he had worked with Congress to Improve Obama Care, passing changes to the law instead of just using executive orders to meet his own needs, maybe we wouldn't be rolling out this disastrous law today and our Congress wouldn't have had to use such drastic measures to bring the discussion to the table. “I will not negotiate” is not governance, it is dictatorship and it is not acceptable in America.

Cruiser

Cinder, go back to school and learn how something becomes law. ACA is a law that was passed by Congress, signed into law by the president, challenged and upheld before the US Supreme Court. Its is the law and throwing a hissy fit by not passing federal funding unless they get their way is ridiculous!

snowflake

Thune and Noem are defiant? Do you live under a rock? The Republicans asked for one thing: EVERYONE--including Obama--has to be on the care plan! No exceptions for his family, staff, cronies, etc.

Why aren't you mad about the fact that Obama exempted so many entities, but the common everyday people are not exempted, nor were they given the same extensions that the entities have been given?

Please look at why this shutdown happened; the Democratic party is playing the entire country.

Obama and the Democrats have said only one thing: My way or the highway. They do not compromise, yet they talk of it frequently.

The shutdown is just another power play by the Democrats. Do not blame the Republicans.

dpmt10

right on

timal74

pooka is absolutely correct in his statement. A budget would also help. No other president has gone this long with out a budget.. Others want to already point fingers at the republicans, forgetting or just ignorant of the fact of all the compromises made for the debt ceiling to prevent government shutdowns in the past couple of years. No one is mentioning the three bills offering compromise to prevent the current shut down that Harry Reid won't look at or listen to. Harry Reid has not come back with a single compromise. Harry Reid has said he would like health care to have one provider. So how do we blame one party over the other. I think a good start would be eliminate Congress, the President and the unions from their exemption of Obama care. I think this bill is going to be a nightmare and that we should start over and let the American people come up with something better and get the government out of it.

No.

This was the wrong venue to pursue this. The add-ons to the spending bill were outrageous. This was absolutely the wrong time and place for this fight. The "tea party" activists ramrodding this are spoiled prats and will bring ruin to the republican party and make a shambles of our economy.

The party seems to be leaderless at this point. Sad.

Black Hawk
Black Hawk

Healthcare has been a priority for every President since Nixon. Nothing has ever been done until now. It only effects about 40 million uninsured Americans. It isn't the end of the world and it will be changed and adjusted, over the years, just like Social Security and Medicare which Republicans thought was unconstitutional and ruin America as we know it. Both parties and economic experts agree that we have a healthcare problem. The difference I see is that one party is trying to find a solution and the other is trying to block any attempt to change our broken system.

bookswoman

Actually, the country has been trying to get a working healthcare plan in place since FDR. He tried to put it in place during the Great Depression. Truman tried, Eisenhower tried, then Nixon. It has been the Insurance companies who have fought it tooth and nail, every step of the way. Now, in 2012/2013 they realize that health costs are so out of control that it might break *them*, suddenly they are not obstructing the country in getting health care. Wonder why that is? $$$$$$$$, it is always money.

lpsilver

Noem and Thune do not represent the majority of their constituents, obviously, they didn't ask us if we agreed with their actions. So why do we let our constitutional representatives get away with this behavior? I do not agree with the extreme right republican party leadership. Why do Noem and Thune think they have to follow the party line? After most of my life as a republican, I am seriously considering changing to the Democrat party, who seem to have the most common sense and support the mainstream of American citizens. If they lose voters, perhaps that will send the message!

GL

The repubs continue to run a fools errand, at a cost to anyone and anything...

arturo1113

The people that dont want a budget are the ones using it like a sword to get their way. It should be mandatory that Congress pass a budget. Now days they use the budget as a bargaining chip.Again its against everything I was taught that America should be. Congress is broken. They only care about their party and not the countries citizens. They should be fired for not doing their jobs.

Commenter

If Noem and Thune were democrats this headline would be "standing strong for their beliefs", but republicans are "defiant".
Did Senator Johnson try to work on a compromise so that Obamacare could be delayed for everyone instead just for a chosen few?? That is the issue here. Why so many waivers if this is such a great program? It seems like all of Obama's "friends" should be happy to participate in it instead of asking and being allowed to opt out.

StopProgStop

Delay is just a tactic to re-fight and re-fight and re-fight the same debate that already has happened. It's been debated, voted into law, confirmed by the supreme court and the Dems retained control of 2/3 of the decision making body. The minority is holding ALL funding hostage as a last ditch effort to reverse something that won't be reversed. Sorry you lost. When are you going to accept and move on? Maybe bring a bill to vote that improves it? Nope just repeal 42 times. What a waste of time and money.

Revelation
Revelation

I think the law should be changed so in a government shutdown the first to not be paid or not receive government benefits would be members of the Senate and Congress. If that was the law, there would never be a shutdown.

Cruiser

Aree!

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

President Obama would or will negotiate with these people:

Hassan Rouhani
Vladimir Putin
Bashar al-Assad
Whomever is in charge in Egypt

StopProgStop

He's done negotiating with the petulant children that won't take no for an answer. It's been debated, voted on, confirmed by the supreme court, and reaffirmed with his reelection for a second term.

Cruiser

Exactly what kind of negotiating would he be doing with the repubs? They won't pass a clean CR. This is about funding the government, not another attempt to stop Obamacare. It is a law and not something to use to negotiate with on funding the government. Repubs need to do the job they were elected to do and quit the politics. Pass funding legislation. If you want to stop the law, try again (& again & again) to end the law in the appropriate setting.

matyowambo

You know that your point just speaks poorly for republicans, right? That Obama can negotiate with all of those people but is unable to negotiate with republicans? So it basically says that republicans are worse than any of those people that you named. You understand that, right?

Besides, there is nothing to negotiate on in terms of Obamacare; it's a done deal. It's been voted on, signed into law, and the supreme court has deemed that it is constitutional. That is the law making process of our country.

Dog Soldier
Dog Soldier

The article fails to mention that Thune and Noem continue to get paid.

Commenter

How typical for the news media to blame the republicans and try to influence all citizens to do the same. They're still enabling Obama to blame Bush every time he stubs his toe! I've heard republicans try to discuss ways of improving Obamacare as it was being drawn up and the president just said "I won". He went ahead and did it his way without any input from the republicans.
Even the dems have to admit that it's a "train wreck". Tim Johnson would never admit the flaws in this program because he's a mouthpiece for President Obama.

StopProgStop

This isn't a fight about the ACA, this is a budget debate. Is that too unclear for Republicans to get?

dpmt10

Do you think ACA is free? Can you afford your health care? I NO LONGER CAN. Even on the exchange, it would be a $2600 a year increase for the bare bones policy, even with the subsidy, over what I pay currently. How is that more affordable?

Cruiser

If you currently have a better healthcare plan that costs less, good for you! Keep it. You are not required to switch to ACA. Most folks can't afford health insurance and this is an option for them.

dpmt10

Cruiser, I don't have a better health care plan. It's really crappy. That's why I was checking the exchange to see if I could find one better. Unfortunately, to find one that covers pretty much the same as my new one (which is basically very, very little), the cost was $2600 MORE than what I already pay for the crappy policy I already have.

You say "most folks can't afford health insurance." Really....interesting that out of all of the people in this country, only 15 million don't have it, and most of them CHOOSE NOT TO. So who exactly are you saying can't afford it? The percentage is very, very small. There is a difference between can't afford it, and don't want it.

arturo1113

I would also like to know if Thune and Noem were drinking and celebrating with the rest of the their disrespectful colleagues on the floor in Washington last night. Again I would like to thank Congress for NOTHING. How you can justify this shutdown in any way, shape or form is appalling.

Rhudedog
Rhudedog

Actually the President was playing golf and the Senate refusing to convene until late afternoon yesterday, it's obvious that Democrats don't want to resolve anything - they want it shutdown

StopProgStop

While Thune was on two different FAUX News shows. Which is better?

Cruiser

And your "facts" came from . . .? Remember that the President signs legislation that is passed by both the House and Senate. He acts when they present him with legislation. If he was golfing, and I doubt it, it has no effect. As far as the Senate, they have done their job by passing a clean CR. Nothing for them to do until the House passes something for them to vote on. Why should they be in session when they have nothing to do until the House does their job?

Phree

I will not vote for Thune or Neom again, just like I won't vote for Obama after freezing federal pay. These people have families and this is not the stage for this. They are hurting American people and SOUTH DAKOTANS. This is how our elected leaders are leading? Not only are they jeopardizing people's security and mean of life, they just jeopardized their re-election.

Adam

Remember to not vote for Thune and Noem. You don't have to worry about Obama, because you can only be president two terms. By the way, President Obama is not freezing pay, the Republicans are by not presenting a real budget. I was in the military and went through this before, no one looses any money, the check is just delayed a bit. Its no big deal unless people are managing their money so poorly that they are already broke.

dpmt10

How is this slimdown hurting anybody? Essential services are still available. Those who are furloughed will still get paid. So just who gets hurt?

ttpilot

We need serious health care reform, and this is a start. It's true we have some of the best medical technology in the world, but we have one of the worst health care SYSTEMS in the world. My European and Canadian friends are astonished at the poor health care system we have and that a class of citizens is cut off from any decent health care.

dpmt10


Really? Funny, my English friends have told me repeatedly that we were FOOLS to adopt a system like theirs. The care is horrible, the waits are incredibly long, and to get a badly needed surgery will take sometimes 5 years or more, while you suffer in pain.

NO ONE is cut off from health care in this country. You can go to any ER or hospital in this country and get health care.

Buldog
Buldog

Thune and No Show NOem seem to forget that they are members of the republicant/teapub party that are acting like "spoiled children"!

arturo1113

I have lost all respect for John Thune and never vote for him again. He is a part and admittedly so of what is wrong with every member of Congress in Washington DC. To harm innocent citizens to get your way is appalling. Thank you so much for nothing.

And,

That's why I'm just saying "no" to Noem next election time. This is an exercise in stupidity, our representatives are behaving like spoiled two year olds, this attitude of "I get all my own way or I take my marbles and go home" is not acceptable.

I've been a republican for more than 40 years, now I find I can no longer recognize it. This is shameful.

ALM4747

How exactly is being defiant helping South Dakotans? Considering President Obama was re-elected, pretty sure this means the majority of Americans are for the ACA. If the republicans of South Dakota can tell us exactly why the ACA is bad for South Dakotans and the US, I would listen. But it must be FACTS! Not idiotic information given by Michele Bachman or Ted Cruz. I want facts. If you are so sure that it is a bad thing for the US let it take affect and fail as you all say it will. Then you will be proven right. But keeping the people of the US hostage because you aren't getting your way is a tantrum. Plain and simple!

BigSky
BigSky

70 percent of Americans oppose Obamacare according to Gallup. Obamacare wasn't an issue in the 2012 election. Just because Obama was re-elected, doesn't mean Obamacare is popular, it's not. More people oppose Obamacare now, than they did when it was passed.

dpmt10

right on!

Cruiser

Not true, The latest Gallup Poll shows that only 33% want to see ACA repealed, delayed or defunded. Google it.

dpmt10

Did you really look at that poll? The polled numbers are strongly slanted toward democrats. Of course it will say that!

Also if you look at who conducted the poll, Morning Consult, they are a group who are ALL INVOLVED IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. Of course they are going to skew the polling numbers to side with them - they are making the money off of this debacle of a plan.

Never take a polls numbers at face value. You always have to look at who is conducting it, who they are polling, and how the questions are asked. Any poll can be skewed to say what someone wants it to say.

pooka

Please be aware that Mr Thune voted for cloture which is in effect a vote for Obamacare.It allows Harry Reid to strip the house CRs with a simple majority vote,which he has done twice since the cloture vote.Subsequent votes against removing the the CRs by Republicans are meaningless although they will spin it to the public as true opposition to Obamacare.Any bill that requires 16,000 additional IRS agents to collect fines & premiums is not going to be user friendly.Remember the federal government's track record on managing anything.The post office,amtrack,SS,medicare,medicaid,fannie may & freddie mack.We don't need another boondoggle.

StopProgStop

Please feel free to opt out.

ScreamingEagle

Would a budget have helped? Obama doesn't want a budget, that would control his spending ( of our tax dollars) and we would not be in this position. If you are looking to blame somebody, blame the guy without a budget. Let the scare tactics begin. Blame everything except the true problem. The guy is way out of his league.

StopProgStop

You obviously are unaware that congress is responsible for constructing a budget. But don't let facts get in your way.

BigSky
BigSky

And the Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 4 years.

Cruiser

That comment sounds like something you would hear on the playground.

StopProgStop

The lack of leadership from our Representative is par for the course. They aren't legislators they are movie stars with the same me me me attitude. Think about someone else.

Cruiser

You must have skipped that Government course in school. The one that says that the President submits a budget (Obama has) and Congress writes the spending bills to keep government going. (FYI: Obama can't spend a dime unless both the House and the Senate pass the legislation) In fact they are to have these written, passed by both the House and the Senate, and sent to the President to sign BEFORE 1 October. So, how many spending bills have been signed before 1 October this year???

Cruiser

Phree, you need to learn the facts! Obama did not freeze the pay for federal workers. I know for a fact that it has been a Republican who has introduced legislation each year to freeze their pay. Fact: Obama has proposed a pay raise each year that has been shot down by the repubs.

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